1. Basso
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Hi admins,

In the last couple of months I have seen some trends taking place on our COD4 DM server. A positive thing is that I've seen an increase in the amount of visitors. It used to be kind of special to have more than 20 players online at the same time during the busy part of the days, but now it has become more of a rule instead of an exception. I see a lot of new faces passing by everyday, which is nice to see.

Of course, that also has its drawbacks. With this I mostly refer to the spawnkilling which seem to have increased along with the amount of players. This makes sense as busier servers also imply that the probability that someone will make a spawnkill and/or will be spawnkilled increases. With this last trend I think it is important that we as admins become a bit more strict at times. I see some players coming by every day to abuse our rules once again who first get a verbal warning instead of an official one. Even though you can be sure that they will do it again as they do know the rules. I think it would make sense to punish these players more easily and to get rid of them faster if they fail to behave on our server.

Furthermore, I also see it sometimes happening that admins are playing while the server is very crowded, leading to a lot of spawnkilling on smaller maps (i.e. Broadcast). I completely understand that it is more fun to play the game instead of adminning and I am also guilty of it myself to play while it might be better to be in spec and assess the behavior of other players. However, I think we as admins have the duty to keep the server going in the right direction. This also implies to sometimes sit in spec and assess other players instead of gaming.

This post is not about judging the behavior of any member and/or admin or pointing with a finger to anyone, but I think it is good to keep in mind that we might be able to do a better job in our strictness and to what extent we control our servers. It happens imo too often that players are leaving due to the sk's, which really is a shame in my opinion. And I think that a critical stance towards our own functioning, including myself, is good if we want to keep on improving and to keep our servers as crowded as they currently are.

Best, Basso
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Basso
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Any opinions about this?
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I dont play DM that often and Im not an admin there anyway. I like to think that my admin style is non-intrusive...I dont sit in spec for vast amounts of time and I dont pick people up for the slightest infractions. I have a high level of tolerance to spawnkills (as, especially in TDM, most calls are unjustified) and a zero level of tolerance to homophobic, racist or other such targeted insults. I enjoy banter between the rushers and the campers and I like to think that I encourage that. I am slightly more lenient with new players than players that have played the server for a while with respect to breaking the rules and slightly less lenient with new players that moan about the rules but, on the whole, I think I try to keep the game running smoothly with as little interference as possible.

I dont like the idea of sitting in spec for vast amounts of time cycling through players to make sure they arent breaking rules. I think that encourages an admin to try to catch people out for slightest infractions when an admins job, as I see it, is to promote enjoyment of playing the server - especially for regulars - and encourage new players to come back. TDM is a slightly different animal to FFA and players that play there tend to be more sensible with respect to our rules - I think FFA requires a stricter admin - so I really only go to spec if I see something that flags red to me or there are complaints from other players.

Sorry I couldnt answer more specifically for FFA (which I believe is your question), but I had a bit of time this morning to comment.
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Hi Basso m8 ,

thanks for the post .

You have couple of good points here :)

Waw have a great luck because we have Roger here , and he doing a fantastic job on the server.
Sometimes i really feel guilty because i played for hours and he cover my and other admins back :)

Tbh he is too old to play so its better to him to stay out of the battle lol

Admins job is voluntary and we cannot force people to stop playing , after all ,everyone has a different level of sense of duty towards the clan
and its fine for me.

Maybe more conversation between admins in the game or on TS ( which is much better way ) will raise up the level of covering and monitoring rule breakers.
I remember how Haggis and me sorting this ... i played one or 2 maps while he was in the spec and vice versa.

But i have to agree with you - when server is full its pretty chaotic
and admins should help each other to keep the game running smooth , as much as they can :)

As you said its just a little reminder of our duties , nothing else , and no one should feel bad about it.

Cheers m8 :)
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Well I was quite happy this morning on the wild west server as Orion was speccing for 1 and half hours so no stress for me on a Saturday morning:D
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It really is the wild west there. I find it hard to play there as a lot of the other players pings are quite high. Or because its FFA...But a lot of players walking the line there.
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Hello All

The way i see it, is that, both Basso's way and Orion's way are fine.
Or even better, put them in the mix and you have got, imo, the perfect way to admin on both TDM aswell as FFA.

But in the end it's all a matter of perspective and where one draws the line between clan rules and personal standards.
Wether you're easily offended or are indeed more lenient, maybe having a good day or a bad day, you tend to be less patient/forgiving...

All in all, we are admins to make sure the clanrules are respected and followed (preferably) and everyone has fun!

Cheers Rob.
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It really is the wild west there. I find it hard to play there as a lot of the other players pings are quite high. Or because its FFA...But a lot of players walking the line there.


Yes there are Orion thats why its your mission until you go away again to spend more time on there speccing lol ...I make you a nice badge hehe:p
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Yep I'm seeing a lot of spawn camping, killing, nads in spawn and clays in spawn on the ffa server. If there is an admin on dealing with someone I don't get involved but if there are few on the go who are breaking the rules i will jump in and help sort it. I think I have a mix of both methods, sometimes I will just sit and watch.
Have to also say that when you are running around on some maps or even just spawning it get almost impossible to avoid the odd SK. However I am seeing a lot of players strategically positioning themselves directly across from a spawn or just camping in it. Maybe we need reduce the amount of players on ffa at once?
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Id would like to know what the admin/management team thinks in how much us tag wearers should be involved especially where there are admins are on and to busy playing or in the moment to see what is going on. I know the basic applies like spec and make demo maybe say please don't etc. In my case I am a little anxious to interrupt and admin depending on who is on because I don't want to be the kid who cried wolf over nothing "which I sadly have before" and mess up the fun those admins were having.
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Id would like to know what the admin/management team thinks in how much us tag wearers should be involved especially where there are admins are on and to busy playing or in the moment to see what is going on. I know the basic applies like spec and make demo maybe say please don't etc. In my case I am a little anxious to interrupt and admin depending on who is on because I don't want to be the kid who cried wolf over nothing "which I sadly have before" and mess up the fun those admins were having.


Call it as you see it. If its minor (jumping or an SK) I would let it go at that - a clan member has told someone not to do something. If it happen again I would move to spec and take a look myself.
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. try not to let it get you down admins you all do a good job keep it up
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robbyy
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Ditto Boots m8 :)
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RedsKills
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@Sharky, It is always okay when or if you adress a player to stop doing something in violation with our rules..;)

If you see this and point it out in a civilized, decent way, you're contributing more then when you'd "cry wolf or bloody murder".. :o

Pointing out server rules, using: "!rules or @rules", can be a helpfull tool.

Unless offcourse you do this every 10 seconds, that's just plain annoying :p

If then, players still do not comply, try getting hold of admin. If there's none around, try keep your calm and hope they eventually stop or leave... :(

Never get into an argument tho, you'll never win..;)

Make a demo (if possible) for backup/evidence, so admin and council, can see and next time keep an eye out for set player..

Cheers Rob.
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This will be long:D

What you are saying is actualy, that admins schuld be in spec, when there are alot of players on, as that is the time when there will be more problems.

Too that i will say, clearly a big no from here, as the admin job will take too much of the pleasure.
Yes we are admins, and we are too help out, when it is needed.
But when is it needed? when a player yell he is sk, that one is sk, and he is and so on! Some do it very offen, they are the ones too be stopped.

The server has a boot system, that was added as admins in that time dident get too play very much, and decided that is was the best way too deal with both problems.

If i where too watch 50-80% off the time, and only play what is left, well admins rights will be handle in right away.

I think all admins do a greate job in there own way, and we try as good as we can too do it the same way, but it will never be the same, as we are diffrent people, and we do not see
things the same way.

Weather you choose too give a verbal warn first, that is because that is what you at that moment thought was right, next time you give a real warning too another player the first time.
There can be alot off reason for that, but that is what yoy choose too do at that time.

I do not jump away from the game just because some random player screams out " hey you do not spawnkill " if i where too do that, every game would be ruined and it would be no fun too play.
If it goes on and on, i will first say too the person writing too stop, and then see if there is a problem, but the one screaming out sk, allso needs a warn, as only admins adress players about otheres players gamestyle.

They way i do it, i play a few maps, and i spec some maps, and i spec here and there duing the game when i think something is not right. I do not jump out just because some players call sk.
We actualy decided too stop those players calling out cheat and sk, on server!


I will try too explain what a spawnkill is in my book and as our rules explain, as alot of players and admins call out sk on server, when it actualy is not!

A spawnkill is when you from a fix point kill someone spawning, and by our rules, it has too be done more than one time.

Lets take a runner:

He runs around, and no matter how hard you try, you will run into a area where a spawn is in sight, that CAN not be avoided.
Therefor by out own rules set by flatty, it can not be a spawnkill if you run away from that area.

We have a boot that sends a message too the victim saying, sorry killemall spawnkilled you, he was warned for it !!!!!!!!!
That is the main reason for alot off talk about spawnkill on the server, as i have said manny times before.

Then you can decide if it is a spawnrape, because he is seaking the spawn all the time very clearly. Even that one is very hard too decide, as you can't run for long, before a new spawn is in sight.
And then the hard question " Who has the right too shoot first ???"

I very rearly gets a red warning, but when i run around yello warnings will happen, if not you are very slow on the trickker.

What i im trying too say, it is hard too be an admin, don't make the job harder than it allready is, by taking the fun away from us.
We cant sit in spec all the time, but when we are more than one admin, we can take turn too watch a map here and there, but not as a rule.

I'm more like Orion on regards too how i work as am admin.

Well i hope you understand what i said, as sometimes i dont even understand my self:D
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After reading this thread I feel I need to say something. First I feel it is unfair to think that admins should spec first and play later. I am sorry we all joined because we like to play. Yes the admins have a duty to monitor the game but in my opinion all of us, me included, should be allowed to play the maps that we want too. Second, we play a lot of new maps. I don't know about anyone else but in the new maps I have no idea where the spawn points are. Kind of hard to catch someone who spawn kills when you are not sure of the spawn point itself. Third, if there is too much spawn killing then maybe it is time to turn the sensitivity up a notch. I know the bot is not perfect, far from it, but it is the best we have. Fourth, a lot of times I have come on and watched but there are 12-18 players going at it and I am the only admin on at the time. Kind of hard to watch everyone.

Now I will fully admit I watch more than I play but when I do it is my favorite maps and fully admit that Broadcast is my favorite. In watching as much as I do I tend to be a little less aggressive in handing out warnings. If someone is watching a spawn I want to see that first kill and no attempt to move away before I warning and this it will be just a message first then the actual warnings happen. The other thing is that I have the pleasure of being on the servers when I am at work but I have to turn away from the game instantly when work calls so there are a lot of times I may be logged in but not looking at my laptop.

Now in saying all of this, I will still be there watching and playing when I can. I do not plan to change the way I do things but will also implement any changes that higher ups decide we need to do. I am also trying to split time between FFA and 24-7 but I do check into TDM every so often and even play once in a while. My 2 cents worth.
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I'm lucky to get a couple of rounds a week in at the moment so I'm afraid I just jump in and play.

If someone really naughty catches my eye I'll deal with it but other than that I'm going to make the most of what little gaming time I have.
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I agree with Killie, you can't help it when running around. Sitting directly across from a spawn in clear line of site is a no no. Strategically positioned but in no clear line of sight fine. Anyway as this is to do with monitoring the servers. I think we should just take a sensible approach, if there's something obvious and lets face it if your are playing ffa you are going to spot it then go to spec. Any player can also do this too! Its better if you are not admin to keep quiet, take a demo and post it.
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I just play, and while playing it will be only a matter of time that a player will kill you in a way that you think. Hang on a minute. So I then stop and have a look. Or you get a few in chat all saying there is a problem. Then I stop again and have a look. Or if there is an other Admin dealing with it. I just leave it to them. Unless asked.
Players that accuse others. I ask them to please reframe from accusations, and to do a demo etc etc. But I do take note. And sometimes have a look.


The Admin code is there to follow and we all Admin in a different way. But as long as the code is adhered to and we follow our own rules, we shouldn't go wrong.

Admining is an art, a good Admin and the way he or she talks to and treats people, can be the difference between a guest adding us to their favourites list, or leaving the server for good.
As for the main point. Which seems to be to take a harder stance against rule breakers. Hmm, maybe but. Some players that come to us, are here for the 1st time. They don't know our rules. We have to give these people a far bit of slack. The players that we all know and are constantly rule breaking, well yes there is a feeling these should be given increasingly longer tbs if it carries on. As long as we are fair and the length of the tb stands up if someone appeals, and we have proof. Then I see no reason why not. The thing that really used to grate me was when I saw someone giving out 2 weeks or more, for not a lot. A nad in the spawn or slightly bad word in the wrong place.
Thankfully on the whole that is very rare these days, And something we should be proud of. I used to get a fair few Pms about it from guests. Now the main Pms I get is from Admins. Where they PM me and ask me to reduce the tb time that they have given, as in the cold light of day it was too much. Happens quite a lot that, which is no bad thing. I've done it myself back in the day. We all make mistakes, do things in the heat of a situation that in the morning doesn't look that great. But I think we get it right a good deal of the time.


Our Admins do a great job imo. Without them we would have mayhem and thus not a place many would come and play.
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I just play, and while playing it will be only a matter of time that a player will kill you in a way that you think. Hang on a minute. So I then stop and have a look. Or you get a few in chat all saying there is a problem. Then I stop again and have a look. Or if there is an other Admining dealing with it. I just leave it to them. Unless asked.
Players that accuse others. I ask them to please reframe from accusations, and to do a demo etc etc. But I do take note. And sometimes have a look.



This is exactly how I play. It lets the game flow. Like Tube says, the rulebreakers are usually new to server or they make a mistake and a polite request usually works. Persistent rulebreakers need the warnings for the good of the other players on server. Zero tolerance on cheats though.

Additionally, I want to add that I personally have a zero tolerance on racist comments, homophobic comments (can we get "faggot" added to the B3 profanity list please?) and any other comments that are personal attacks of the same ilk. I dont know how the other admins feel about it - whether they are more lenient or not.
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Hello all,

There is a point here. Yes its good that COD4 community is enriched with new members. But to tell the truth, some maps cannot be played with so many players. I think the slots in DM are too much. What about decreasing the slots and at the same time start a second COD4DM server with different map rotation? :)

Now about admins. I usually play a couple of maps and then I go spectator, mostly for cooling down my heart beat than for watching. When going spectator, I am trying fist to advice by text and next to !warn out-of-rules behaviors. Because admin is better to be a coach than being a cop!

Finishing, In my opinion spawnkiller is not a runner who will spankill once or twice by accident. Spawnkiller is someone who repetitively is aiming at spawn points, running or sitting. And the worse type of spawnkiller is the one who is spawncovering.

(sorry for my bad English m8s)
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