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Hello OGHF.

I am a regular on your COD 4 Server. but lately Admins are breaking your own rules about Spawn killing or airstriking in spawn. and when i report it i get told to shut up and your Admins have been very rude and aggresive towards me just for reporting. but i think the main reason is because the Admins are doing it more than the regular players.

Myst has been extreamly rude to me saying very personal things to me and insulting me, this is not what i would expect from an Admin!!

No one enjoys resporning and instantly dieing over and over again. one of your rules is not to spawn and and to have fun. both of these rules are broken by admins on mulitple of occosions.

I do not understand how you tell people to follow the rules and not to spawn kill when you do it yourself and using the excuse its just map is not an excuse..
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Hi.
Sorry to hear this. Please can I ask who you are. And which COD4 server are you referring to. It will help us greatly in cheaking server logs. Also, do you have any demos of any members breaking the rules?.

You can PM me or any Council member, or the owner, if you wish to remain anonymous. We will look into it.

Cheers TubeSlayer.

PS Myst isn't an Admin or even a member here anymore.
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Hi. Ok I know who you are now and have had a look at this. This was on the TDM so I have asked the TDM Head Admin (WAX) to look into this and deal with your compliant.

But may I add. We do need demo's to be able to access part of your complaint. Do you have any demo's ?


Cheers
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Thank you.

I dont mean toi cause issues or seem like im moaning but no one likes being killed in spawn over and over again without making a single step it just is not enjoyable.

I was even banned when i complained about an admin doing it.

I was not rude or disrepectufll or aggresive in anyway shape or form, just simply for them to stop doing it and that they are breaking their own rules.

from what i understand Myst is part OGHF as they were the one who banned me.
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Every time I see a player complain I tell them to make a demo get some proof and the standard response is nothing will be done about it so why bother. Pisses me off to no end if you're not gonna do anything about why even say something. Anyways im at the point now where I record everything as soon as I join and one day I will figure out how to post them too.


BTW this is not directed at Player One or any other player just figured it would be a good place to vent/rant/cry/bitch etc.. I also have a huge problem with spawn campers maybe one day when i have proven myself as worthy managment will award me with 10 percent admin so one can at least offically warn players.


Merry Christmas all!


Sharky
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I may be wrong but I think you are talking about Mist not Myst who is a different person and not an admin.

I was on the server at the time but only paid half attention to the chat log (which you will have anyway). I will say that the team PlayerOne was on were generally making little effort to try and get out of spawn and so ended up getting surrounded and pounded!

It is a problem with your server as you allow camping. You end up with a disproportionate number of players who don't move and this can be the end result especially on small maps. I'm not saying you should change the camping rule, just saying it does lead to this problem. I have been on other servers where camping is not allowed and there is always constant movement of players and spawns around the map.

I have little sympathy for people who say they can't get out of the spawn area. Very people use smoke which is the best way to escape a surrounded spawn and if you want to break out more than one or two players in the team have to be trying to do it.

I have been on the wrong end of this and it isn't much fun but that is the nature of the game. If it's getting to you just leave or go to spec and come back next map or after you've had a lie down :)
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OK. I was online when this last happened with Player One.

He is talking about Mist (not Myst).

I was online and so was Wax.

When this last happened, it was dealt with by Mist who, as I recall, dealt with it respectfully. Especially as this wasnt the first time we had been through this.

Player One has a history of complaining about spawn killing - especially admins (as stated in original post).

He/She has been asked many times to make a demo and to stop complaining. I personally have specced him during the complaints and seen nothing wrong.

PlayerOne:
There are many things wrong with the way you are doing things:
1. Make a demo - demos get things done around here and enable those that are not on server to make an informed decision.
2. Stop complaining, especially about admins. They are doing a difficult job and make human based decisions - their goal to maintain harmony on the server and encourage players to come back. You clearly like the OGHF server as you are a frequent visitor - so we are doing something right.
3. Deaths at spawn from airstrikes are inevitable and, to date, I have never seen an admin issue a warning for spawnkilling from an airstrike. Calling in an airstrike is usually done where all the red dots are on the UAV which, by default, is where the enemy is spawning. If you are unlucky enough to be caught in an airstrike after spawning - suck it up princess - if you are lucky the player calling in the airstrike will get a spawnkilling warning issued by the bot.
4. Which brings me onto the bot. The bot will issue spawnkilling warnings for true spawnkilling.
5. There is a (2 sec?) period after spawning where a player gets increased protection from getting killed. Use those two seconds to move...
6. Personally, I only issue warnings for spawn campers (someone pointing at a spawn point killing those that spawn). As opposed to players (usually rushers) that happens to be running about in the enemies spawn area. This is because I see that as a viable tactic and a single player running about in an enemies spawn area really ought to be dealt with pronto.

Edit: Trashcan has really hit the nail on the head describing spawnkilling in the post above. It is a well known strategy to pin teams down in their spawn area - some maps are worse than others for it (Countdown anyone?). But, there are ways to break out of spawn - just work as a team to achieve it. Its TDM after all.
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I am sure chatlogs gonna be checked - as long as I had been on the server Player Ones has not been rude or impolite, however he got accused for being it.
Probably I do not sense that well or my level of getting abused is different.
The only nasty thing was, and I told him that, that he was stressing the topic too long and repeated for minutes complaining.
If he feels not treated well, the forum is the right place for a debate, not the online chat.

However, it is not the first complaint about OGHF members and admins pointing into spawns too .... lets be fair.
We are all still all human beings.
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I am sure chatlogs gonna be checked - as long as I had been on the server Player Ones has not been rude or impolite, however he got accused for being it.
Probably I do not sense that well or my level of getting abused is different.
The only nasty thing was, and I told him that, that he was stressing the topic too long and repeated for minutes complaining.
If he feels not treated well, the forum is the right place for a debate, not the online chat.

However, it is not the first complaint about OGHF members and admins pointing into spawns too .... lets be fair.
We are all still all human beings.


I have to agree that he hasnt been impolite...but he has complained after we have investigated and found no spawnkilling going on. Additionally, I have never seen anyone get pulled up by admins for airstrikes in spawn - from any admin. That day he had complained at least twice about airstrikes in spawn. In addition he has been told multiple times to make a demo and put it in forums so we can all take a look. Though, I have to say, I have specced him many times during the complaints and at other times and havent seen anything that substantiated his claims.
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Thanks for taking the time to post your concerns, you have been requested to do this many times instead of persisting in commenting in game chat which is not the place for long conversations.

Your chat logs show a litany of complaining about campers and spawn kill along with a list of warnings from various admins for repeatedly ignoring requests to stop complaining over and over about it.
I was in game on Thursday evening when you were once again requested to stop complaining, make a demo and bring it to the forum. I have to say in my opinion that no one was targeting you or specific spawn points across two maps I played/specced. Yes it then got into a somewhat pedantic discussion with you and Mistagain and you were asked then warned to stop.

You may have somewhat different expectations in your game play to that which is perhaps achievable in an online game play environment despite the controls we have in place on our bot system.
Our command bot has a period of spawn protection for all players, the bot warns ALL players if they are spawn killing (yes, even admins are not immune from this), air strikes are relatively random in their effectiveness and direction in as much that you can only target an area not individuals or specific locations i.e. spawn points and yes airstrikes do incur bot warnings.
To put this into some sort of context. Neither Mistagain nor Orion were issued with spawn kill warning by the bot on Thursday evening, yet you persisted in accusing admins of not only spawn killing but also ruining your game. Worth noting perhaps that there were no other complaints of mass spawn killing taking place by admins.

Both Orion and Trash Can above make very valid and pertinent points about online game play environment on our servers in their posts above.

So, we do thank you for raising a concern, it does force us to look at what happens in game and appraise the facts we can garner from the system chat logs, I am sorry to say for you in this instance that we cannot support your claims. It may be that at some point in the future we decide to remove the airstrike feature from our CoD4 servers as we have done with the heli in the past. This may at least in some way ease some of your concerns.

Cheers w
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But the rules say "No Spawn Killing" that rule should apply to players and admins alike not just when people feel like following them and when i report an admin breaking the rules i get banned - does this really seem right?

Also when someone does an air strike they do it purposly in spawn, i have died over 10 times in a row without making a single step before - how is this fun and allowing us to actually move out of spawn.

You may see it as moaning or complainging that is fine but when admins show little respect for their own rules why should anyone else - they seem to pick and choose which rules they want to enforce.
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If I get an airstrike, I think yippee... I have no idea if its going to spawn kill someone its not intentional its a game and if my airstrike spawnkills .....oops:D
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Hi Player one. The TDM head Admin has looked into this fully, and is satisfied that our Admins dealt with the issues you mention, in accordance with our Admin code.
The rules are for everybody. No exceptions. As others have mentioned. Airstrikes that kill players that have just spawned is hard luck. The B3 bot, when its up, is the only way that it can be policed. And will warn players who order the airstrike, if players are killed in the spawn. And so if you have been killed by an air strike when leaving the spawn, then that's just one of those things sir. Its the same for us all. We all live with it, on the rare occasion it happens to the rest of us.

Also, I did take a look at the chat logs myself. I can see where on occasions our Admins patience is wearing thin with you. This is understandable as your constant complaining is bordering on spamming.
Here on the forum is the place to complain, backed up with a demo!!!. We say to everyone. No accusations without proof. You have accused our Admins, who are trying to keep our servers a fun place to play, of breaking the rules themselves. I see no proof what so ever of this. Please show the proof. If you have none, then lets please have no more accusations.


We do our very best to make our servers a welcoming and fun place to be. But we can't please everyone. We would hate to lose you. But this constant accusing without proof has to stop.

Kind regards

TubeSlayer
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Also, I did take a look at the chat logs myself. I can see where on occasions our Admins patience is wearing thin with you. This is understandable as your constant complaining is bordering on spamming.
Here on the forum is the place to complain, backed up with a demo!!!. We say to everyone. No accusations without proof. You have accused our Admins, who are trying to keep our servers a fun place to play, of breaking the rules themselves. I see no proof what so ever of this. Please show the proof. If you have none, then lets please have no more accusations.


I would disagree with everything in that statement, I do have concerns that when i report an issue or an admin breaking their own rules they are not treated seriously and i get banned for reporting it.

I do not see any issues with reporting issues, but yet i get banned for doing so, this is not the right way i expect an admin to behave.

If you want me to record a demo of admins breaking their own rules i will do, but if that shows proof what will happen to that admin?
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Was editing this post while you was writing the one below. So will repost the edited version below. Just so the timeline is clear.

Cheers
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Ok, i will make sure to make demo's in future of admins breaking the rules.

And to be clear this is not aggressive or have anything personal against admins, im not out to get anyone, i just do not like being constantly killed in spawn, and saying airstrikes are ok to spawn kill is not good enough, you all know where they spawn and yet you will put it directly in their spawn on purpose, this is not fair game play.
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Ok. Let me try and make a couple of thing really clear to you sir.

Firstly, and I reiterate. We ALL have to abide by the server rules. And all Admins have to abide by the Admin code. (If) any of us did not abide by these rules, we would be advised by our peers.

Secondly According to the records I have, you have only been playing on our server for 3 months. And in that time, you have been temp banned 20 times from 4 different Admins. None of them longer that for an hour. And looking at the logs, you have.

1/ Accused other players literally dozens and dozens of times of camping. Moaning constantly about it. There is NO rule against camping on our servers.
2/ You have accessed players of hacking with out proof. Again against our rules.
3/ You have accused our admins of not abiding by clan rules. Again, producing no proof
4/ You have been asked several times on the server by our admins to do a demo. And basically said there is no point.
5/ You have used abbreviated bad language on our servers. Against our rules.

As the above show, we are a tolerate clan. On quite a few other servers you may well have been banned long ago. Our admins, as per usual, have shown remarkable patience. As our clan owner requires us too. But there is a limit. If the above does not stop, then you will be hit with longer bans from our servers. Our admins along with our guests, are trying to enjoy the game themselves. Your constant complaining and rule breaking is quite frankly unacceptable.

Please try to understand that.


If our server is not for you. Then fair enough. There are others that may suite you better.

Thank you for reading sir

Tube Slayer
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Ui ui ui ... that conversation is now going in a totally different direction ... :(

It started with a gamer complaining about admins not following clan rules and ends with the 3 months summary of own behavior .... that is a real welcome to everybody who got told to raise the complaint in the forum - well done gits !
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Ui ui ui ... that conversation is now going in a totally different direction ... :(

It started with a gamer complaining about admins not following clan rules and ends with the 3 months summary of own behavior .... that is a real welcome to everybody who got told to raise the complaint in the forum - well done gits !


He was told to make a DEMO multiple times over the last 3 months then take things to the forums. We don't want players to accuse here without proof which he did in the 1st post so in my book he had all of this coming.
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Well, this is turning into a remarkable discussion but let's not make it bigger than it is.

I do not really care about what you have done in the past as I have no clue who you are to be honest :D. But as I am being an admin I can say you this: OGHF has a strong policy in which bad behavior of admins will be punished (and believe me, it happens, BIG time!). I think especially admins should be playing in line with the rules as they are the so called police officers of our servers. If they don't apply the rules according to how it should be done, then who will? To be honest I think that in 99% out of 100% times admins are playing according to our rules. Of course, there always is a chance that admins make a mistake and break one of the rules we have set up. We are all humans after all.

If there are admins who break these rules multiple times, then yes, it should be reported with a demo. Based on that the required steps can be taken to change the situation. However, what often happens is that some small mistakes of admins are directly seen as repeatedly breaking the rules as we are being monitored very heavily by our guests. As so called police officers, it is considered unacceptable to break any of the rules we have set up. But then again, mistakes happen and you need to realise, One Player, that admins do this. Moreover, you should also realize that admins sacrifice their spare time to play on our servers, to monitor them, and to take the appropriate steps when needed. Do you think I always get on the server just for the fun of gaming? No not really, i sometimes go there because I feel the need to ensure that the server is a fun place for others to visit. Consequently, I think it is important to show respect towards admins and to not accuse without any prove. And yes, that really annoys us as you can see where this discussion has been going.

But then again, It is still important that guests feel the freedom to complain about admins if they have a demo as prove. I therefore would like to stimulate you, but also other guests, to provide us with demo's if you see STRUCTURAL rule breaking of any of our admins. Then I am 100% confident that OGHF will deal with the rule breaker in the right manner.

Of course, I hope nothing will pop up, because it is important that all admins follow our rules. But please know that there is the freedom to complain when there is valid evidence for the complaint.

Finally, lets remember it's just a game! Merry christmas and enjoy this day with your beloved ones!
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Seems to all be very aggresive and rude just because i have reported an issue.

If you dont want me to play on your servers just let me know

I no longer feel welcome by OGHF if this is the way you treat someone with a concern...
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