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Can someone please clarify if ruleset has been changed on TDM
Defoe currently warning for staying in own spawn!

That has never been a rule on TDM in all the years i have played here.
lol that would be at least half of the players kicked including senior admins if thats the case
I know its a rule on FFA and a new one on WAW, but unless there has been a change here that hasn't been posted or in rules, then the warning is wrong?
A few of the long term regular players tried to say this on the server and asked if new rules, but was no answer other than he said its a rule, i genuinely think he has just got servers and associated rules mixed up

Can you confirm please

Thanks
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Hi all ,

glad to see that we all calm down a bit .

I will just add that Defoe did a great job in a very hard situation.
Its easy to be a general after the battle , but in the moment of heat its a very hard to stay calm.
Couple of comments were disrespectful toward him , but he calmed down the hassle without long bans.
It could easily gone in a very bad way for all who were involved in it - i saw many times 2 weeks tempban for literally nothing , unfortunately.
Put yourself in Defoes position and i am sure you will realized how stressful 15 - 20 minutes he had.

Also i understand the some of players reactions , sometimes we wrote something in a rush and anger.
It happened to everyone , and i hope we all learned from this case.

What is done is done , for me its not a big deal , its a time to shake hands and move on.

Thanks for your comments and opinions :)
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changing the recipe will change the taste
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this is not the first time this has come up my answer to you tube is this if we all got it wrong ie mist boots nix mistagain flatsix haggis I am so sorry we did try to get it right and the tdm was full every night 8 years we did this and now we are all wrong I am sorry you feel this why we did the best we could . good but not good enough I quote you on this I've enforced it when I've played on TDM in the past. But If in general it has never been enforced then it should have been. wrong it was by all . as for the ban time it was all to do If a player keep doing the same thing the ban got longer. We all did this we all did the best we can .the above did not change the rules so who did . tube I am not having a go at you at all I am not .but please if you are going to change the rules on the TDM then put in the rules. I no this will not go down to well with the council but lets face it you have made mistakes before we all have. you all have the right to say how you feel so do it. there is no one bigger and better than you . PS sorry for all the spelling mistakes love you all BOOTS
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Here we go again Chris. We have been here before, and it never ends well..I'll answer in the morning, maybe here, but probably in a PM.. A bit late for me to try and understand your point. But I've changed no rules. I have no authority to change the rules. They are there in Black and White. Rule 2. No Spawn killing or spawn camping.



Removed an attempt at a quip at the start. Lost my will at a jest
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lol as if to prove a point
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Just to clear something ,

Tube is one of the Council members and he have 1 vote in important clan things , like this one.
And please stop blame him for everything whats going on on cod4 - TDM or FFA .

I was the one who started to force the idea of asking players to move their own spawn and it was related to WAW - before couple of years ,
so its not something which coming over night.
i put in my previous post why I think it will bring more good than harm.

We already agreed about it on COD4 FFA and forced it for a year ( s ) .

And i dont see some big difference between TDM mode on COD4 or WAW.

As you said Boots m8 ,you enforced it before , so why we shouldnt enforce it now ?

Some players will like it some not.

Our intention is to make a server more popular , nothing else.

About adding clear rule ( no camp on own spawn ) we need some transitional period to see how it will work.

Till than we already have Rule : No Spawn killing or spawn camping.
As you can see , we can read this rule in a couple of ways.
So , admins should start to force this rule slow and carefully.
It will be hard and slow process.
But i really hope that admins / members and long regulars will help us.

About how cod 4 servers were running in the past i have different opinion , we had couple of discussion about that matter and i
explained my point of view on the old site , so i will not going into it again , because it will not bring us anywhere.
Some long time COD 4 admins / members left because of it , and i wasnt happy , but
it was their choice ( in the most of cases ).

So , you can blame me for it , pretty sure that all of them anyway think it was my fault.
My only defense is the fact that i never , even once , abused my power or violated OGHF rules unlike some ( most ) of them.

Cheers :)
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RedsKills
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Ming said it himself (to return back on topic) he was sat in a spawnpoint..
In doing so, hindering others to spawn there. IE camp in a spawnpoint!

A prominent member of our clan(admin at that!), once explained to me on TS that, because off him sitting in such a spot, it is no longer a spawnpoint, DUH!..:p
I mean REALLY?! Come On...that's... :o :(

By Ming not knowing he was in a spawn is not entirely his fault. (some know em, some don't.)
After being asked/told to leave the spot, he should have complied and this all wouldn't have happend in the first place..
So the admin was absolutely within his' rights, to act according.

The load of crap he got poured on him after that, was uncalled for,so he reacted in the only way to nip it in the bud.
To kick those who were out of line.. (i would 've "spanked" them, "spank = kick ie same result"!)

Anyway, the concerning parties are at peace again so we're all good and friends again.. ;)
Moving on! :D :D

Cheers Rob.
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Right on Red, and Defoe you did a greate job.

Respect for the way your handle this.
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Thanks guys for your support.

Robbyy is right, in some way there is good in all this. It brings the topic to the fore and could help to highlight and clarify the two rules.

The other problem with sitting in a spawn, and definitely with the case in hand, is that other players, do not expect you to be there (putting you at an unfair advantage) as well as not shooting at you if they think you just spawned.

My two bits worth.
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I was one of the players hit with the heavy handed !k for something I am still not entirely sure.

All I can say is I am a little mystified by people who read the logs and didn't see an overreaction.

I would genuinely be interested to understand what constitutes a spawn and what does not because after reading through this I am confused to say the least.

For example, I am thinking Crossfire spawning at the top of the road, does moving forward to the window to look down the hill class a spawncamping? If so that is a tonne of people that do it...

Anyway, server seems(ed) pretty popular without needing to "enforce" a "rule" that was happily irrelevant beforehand and nobody seemed to call for. Have been in a couple of clans over the years and it doesn't surprise me that you guys protect one of your own. The death of those clans were admins that were far too trigger happy with kicks and tbs (I mean seriously, you were considering tbs for what happened? Wow).

We get it, you have admin rights. Perhaps a little more enforcing of rule #10 and a bit less kicking en masse for typing "jeez" or asking seemingly valid questions :)
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Tried to send you a Pm, but for some reason I couldn't
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"Hi Square.. Very soon this Clan will be celebrating 10 years of existence. To achieve 10 years as a clan, takes countless hours of work from the clan owner setting the whole thing up. And countless hours of work from clan admins, both past ones and present ones. Plus our members also helping reminding players of our rules. The point being, it is popular and still here by the very fact that past and present Admins and members, made sure the rules were and are adhered to. It didn't just happen. All that accumulating in trying to make our servers a fun (Rule 10, ) and pleasant place to play and relax. So guests return knowing we will do our best to achieve this. Yes mistakes are made. But in general we feel we get it right most of the time. And I can assure you, if one of us does abuse their admin rights, we get to know about it very quickly from our peers. I saw nothing more there at that time, than an Admin trying to keep order in very difficult circumstances, with 5 players all disputing an issue with him at the same time. He needed to reassert calm. Which he did. I really hope you can understand that sir.

Yes the server was almost full on this day, and for the above reasons. Not bad for a 10 year old game.

Also what we try to stamp out is, language like below. Recognize it ?. I've coloured in a few letters for the obvious reason.
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ALL twat
ALL its xah|hax or whatever stupid name he had
ALL hacking idiot
ALL this map is smaller than my penis
ALL that map gave me aids
ALL almost like you cheat..
ALL oh yay the cheater has joined
ALL this map is dog turd
ALL f **king dick

We are always willing to listen and learn.... But please..

Rule 2. Please do not spawn camp .We spawn (appear at a spot in the map after being killed) and we move from that spot we spawned on .. Also Rule 2 . Do not spawn kill. We do not shot a spawning player. Rules 3 and 8. You do not use bad language or show disrespect to others...

If you need to speak to me about this in greater depth, please send me a PM and I will be willing try and clarify. Or when I get home. (I work away most weeks at the moment) I will try and catch you on TS.

Thank you for reading. "
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Reassert calm... it is a CoD4 server, not a brawl in the street. I would certainly dispute that 5 people were disputing with Defoe at the time and if they were, they were asking about his heavy handed treatment of Ming, not disputing rules.

I don't think I ever questioned OGHF's history or integrity, I merely commented on what has happened to previous clans.

Also, thanks for trying to discredit me by posting some random comments out of context. A few comments about someone wallhacking (believe they subsequently got banned) Yeah I know it goes against how you want to handle cheaters, c'est la vie. A couple of bad jokes (don't see what rules the break) and a couple of swear words that were typed to vent and get automatically kicked rather than quitting the normal way ;) Nice to know I've left such a beautiful lasting impression on the OGHFs logs.

Didn't actually answer my questions or clarify what spawn camping actually is, the way I now read it is that as long as you don't literally stay in the exact pixel you spawn, that is not spawn camping.

Anyway, rule #10 is the most important rule and I hope Defoe remembers that in future.
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DeFoe
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Hmmm...
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Hi Square m8 ,

heavy handed ...

Instead of opinions , i will put logs here....

403673 [OGHF]DeFoe ALL MING, youre in a spawn, please leave Wed, 21/11/18 (20:28)
403674 Ming ALL ive played that spot for 5 years Wed, 21/11/18 (20:28)
403675 [OGHF]DeFoe ALL and for five years on this server, its beena spawn Wed, 21/11/18 (20:29)
403676 Ming ALL and now u tell me. why? Wed, 21/11/18 (20:29)
403677 [OGHF]DeFoe ALL ? Wed, 21/11/18 (20:29)
403679 Ming ALL oh the boys are in Wed, 21/11/18 (20:29)
403681 [OGHF]DeFoe ALL ...and dont cover spawns Wed, 21/11/18 (20:30)
403682 Ming ALL congrats on ur new admin status Wed, 21/11/18 (20:31)
403684 [OGHF]DeFoe ALL !k ming dont argue with admin Wed, 21/11/18 (20:31)

And he didnt kicked you just because you said jeez...

403685 [OGHF]DeFoe ALL hate doing that Wed, 21/11/18 (20:31)
403686 Square ALL don't do it then ;) Wed, 21/11/18 (20:31)
403770 Square ALL Defeo being very defensive :" Wed, 21/11/18 (20:43)
403776 Square ALL petty Wed, 21/11/18 (20:44)
403781 Square ALL jeez Wed, 21/11/18 (20:45)
403783 [OGHF]DeFoe ALL !k squa stop it please Wed, 21/11/18 (20:45)


And when you look at the complete picture - 20 minutes of constant testing garnished with comments like childish, petty, your admin rights will be removed
.... just punched with kicks, that's heavy handed ?
Dont think so.

Your chat logs in the game.....
You're making a picture of yourself with your comments on the public game chat.

You said , almost everything is pull out of the context....
Trying to explain your words with context , well , i saw explanation like this plenty of times.
Its all jokes and banters , but admins dont have a sense of humor when they read the logs.


Rule 10....

You are right , its a game and players should have fun ,
as long as they respect rules.
One more thing - what is funny to you , its not funny to someone else.


About clarifying spawncamp rule , please read posts again.

You ( and others ) put your opinions here and even if I not agree with some , i respect them .

What is done is done , we cannot pull it back , for me its not not a big deal
Can we move on please....

I hope to see you and other guests involved in this case at battlefield :)


Cheers m8 :)
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good job Defoe m8 and tube and robbyy now it all makes sense.
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Square said; "Anyway, rule #10 is the most important rule and I hope Defoe remembers that in future.;"

You may be on to something there M8..

So even though your "colourful" vocabulary, may be put out of context...
It would/should have been enough for a TempBan: #rule8..! :p

Therefor by us enforcing the first 9 rules, you can enjoy the 10th rule more! ;) :o

Remember That in future..! :)

Cheers Rob.
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Thanks Robbyy for posting and I agree, time to put it to bed and move on.
But I appreciate this has been fully addressed.
Thanks.

Time to play:p :p :p
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I very rarely get spun up about SK's on the DM server, only when as stated by others it's a systematic offender, then my goal is to reach out and slice said offender, I don't care much about my k/d so I die allot trying to get to them but it is fun... so if you see me running towards the gunfire near spawn, let me get there, my only target is said offender!
:)
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I started typing a response to the gibberish above, but I feel I will be better off just banging my head against the wall. Easier to dumb myself down, rather than educate people up.

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